(Commentator)
May I put my word to this debate. first I will react to some statements you have made.
1. You say the church has failed to address the question of how to conduct our selves in relationships. I think the biggest problem I have with that is that pipo who use that arguement are saying that they engage in pre-marital sex becoz they are not told clear cut guide lines by the church. That is irresponsible and foolish to say the least becoz, the church teaches what is in the bible and if we do what the bible says we will be saved, so i don't agree with the blame game. Everyone will be answerable to God and there will not be an excuse that the church is to blame for sexual immorality. Leg managemnet and self control(temperance) is the key. <( if you have two keep them together and if you have three keep one untill you are married)> this is consistent with bible wheither the church teaches this or not. The other thing is that we must also be involved in our lives and not wait for someone to just come and read out set rules of do's and don'ts, we must work together with the church becoz the youth consitiute the large part of the church so if we isolate ourselves from the church then we are in trouble.
On conduct the bible say's youth enjoy your youth and do mightly what you what your hands find to do, but remember all things will be brought to judgement. That must be the guide to conduct.
May I put my word to this debate. first I will react to some statements you have made.
1. You say the church has failed to address the question of how to conduct our selves in relationships. I think the biggest problem I have with that is that pipo who use that arguement are saying that they engage in pre-marital sex becoz they are not told clear cut guide lines by the church. That is irresponsible and foolish to say the least becoz, the church teaches what is in the bible and if we do what the bible says we will be saved, so i don't agree with the blame game. Everyone will be answerable to God and there will not be an excuse that the church is to blame for sexual immorality. Leg managemnet and self control(temperance) is the key. <( if you have two keep them together and if you have three keep one untill you are married)> this is consistent with bible wheither the church teaches this or not. The other thing is that we must also be involved in our lives and not wait for someone to just come and read out set rules of do's and don'ts, we must work together with the church becoz the youth consitiute the large part of the church so if we isolate ourselves from the church then we are in trouble.
On conduct the bible say's youth enjoy your youth and do mightly what you what your hands find to do, but remember all things will be brought to judgement. That must be the guide to conduct.
(Phil's Response)
Paul encourages fellowship in Hebrews 10:25 saying, " not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching." It is clear from this text that Christian fellowship plays an important role in preparing us for Christ's second advent. Even though salvation is personal, we are told to "exhort one another". The Church is one platform where this "exhorting" takes place. No one can deny from this text that the Church (from its eldership, deaconship, lay and personal activities) plays an influential role in preparing souls for Christ's soon coming. And therefore, as much as we must each individually know and understand the righteous way, the Church (through its programs, teachings and activities) will guide us thereof.
(Commentator)
2.You said paul say's the only option to avoid "burning with passion" to get married. I tend to think that is malicious especially on the man of God. You seem to suggest to the youth that marriage is an escape to "burn with passion." I beg to differ and state here that paul is one of the post christ teachers who upheld and respected marriage and to just restrict marriage to only a sexual arrangment like you are putting it is unacceptable. Marriage is not an escape or relief valve to sexual pressure, it must be a Holy union of two pipo who will then show the character and image of Godthrough their interection, so please marriage in much much more than sex.
(Phil's Response)
I agree with you that marriage is much more than sex. But from the context of 1 Cor 7, it sounds to me like Paul has restricted marriage to only a sexual arrangement or rather as a result of "burning out of passion" or "behaving oneself uncomely toward one's virgin". In 1 Cor 7:33, 34 he says, "But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please [his] wife. There is difference [also] between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please [her] husband." And then he concludes in 1 Cor 7:38 that "So then he that giveth [her] in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth [her] not in marriage doeth better."
(Commentator)
Now coming to the issue of condom use, as a mode of contraception, and reduction of re-infection between married pipo with HIV and other STI's, condoms are another mode to help mitigate the after effects if pipo did not use them.So the married, and have health or family planing issues pliz if it is convinient use the condom.
You and me must know and condoms and other reprodcutive health issues becoz as we grow, our biological make up changes and hormones run around the body such that we want explanations to that, and so we must get the explanation by education.
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what would you say to some one who say's, christians(SDA's) have a high rate of abortion becoz they engage in unprotected sex. So they must be told that if they are to break the comandments they must use a condom and not do it and not resolting to have an abortion.
(Phil's response)
The sad truth is that Christians also have a high rate of HIV/AIDS infections. In Arab countries (such as Jordan), the HIV/AIDS infection rate is close to 0%. But the highly concentrated Christian community in sub-Saharan Africa suffers disgracefully. We need to dig deeper into the two religious cultures and figure out why the case is so.
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